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Wednesday, June 15, 2005Democrat supports our troopsCould this the most disgusting statement ever to defile the US Senate? UPDATE: Adam Partridge finds that the Gitmo = Gulag crew are woefully ignorant of history. And I'd add insulting and offensive as well. If the Democratic establishment has any decency or any respect for the 15 million+ victims of these atrocities (and their families) they will demand an apology from Sen. Durban immediately. And while he's at it, he can apologize for not apologizing when first given the opportunity. UPDATE: Kos: Raving ignoramus or Holocaust denier? You decide. UPDATE: The American left is here to "tell it like it is": the Holocaust was the moral equivalent of messing with the thermostat. Good to know where they stand. UPDATE: More atrocities at the hands of Chimpy McHitlerburton! Seriously - Christina Aguilera. This is what they seethe over. This is their Holocaust. Oh, how they want this to be their Holocaust. Comments:Unless I misunderstood your comment, this is your concept of moral equivalency: Sleep depravation = this. Pouring water over a detainee's head = this. Mishandling a Koran = this. And what does this equal in your mind? The very fact that we check out every alleged abuse (and the ones at Guantanamo have been relatively minor), is enough to prove we are not similar to NAZIs. Also, did Durbin check things to make sure his source was accurate...he isn't a reporter and isn't theoretically held to the same standards as CBS or Newsweek. However, if he is going to make sweeping statements comparing a couple of instances to some of the most evil acts in history, he should check his facts. And, yes, we need to win the political war...but guess who appears to be trying to make us lose the political war...oh look, it's the NY Times, Newsweek, and people like this Durbin fellow. We don't take torture lightly (and we shouldn't), but it is in no way comparable to what the NAZIs did, or what Stalin and Lenin did, or what Pol Pot did. We do not sanction torture and we investigate every allegation to make sure we punish those that perform such acts. It annoys the heck out of me when a senator, or anyone in the public eye, hears a report on TV or reads a report on Yahoo that talks about abuse, and then has to make a stupid statement about it. These people have no clue what goes on at Guantanamo because they have never been there. They have no clue what went on in the Holocaust because all they know about the Holocaust is Schindler's List. And that's about how much they care, too. But get your name in the paper, they're good for that. It's really appalling how quickly the right wing is to defend brutal torture just for the sake of attacking a Democrat. You're just trying to deflect attention away from what is going on at American hands, attack the messenger so you can pretend that the torture itself isn't a problem. As Puddy said, how about ending the torture rather than blaming the media for reporting it? I don't know if you misunderstood puddy's comment, Richard, but your use of equals signs implies that you do misunderstand this comment by Senator Dick Durbin: "If I read this [report of human detainee treatment] to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings." If this statement didn't come from a Democratic Senator, would you agree? Do you agree or do you not? After you answer this, then we could argue whether you think it's a good idea to treat detainees this way. I wouldn't really care if such treatment is "legal" or "not covered by the Geneva Conventions," but you might. And I suppose it's a narrowly valid logical argument. What a bunch of loons. None of the items in that FBI agents report constitute torture. Yes, rap music is appallingly bad but it doesn't reach to level of torture. Aaron asked: "If this statement didn't come from a Democratic Senator, would you agree? Do you agree or do you not?" What a stupid question, I would be critical of any politician who would attack our country to make points against the opposing party. Regardless of party affiliation I wouldn't want an elected representative who was virulently anti-American. I am more critical of the idiots in Illinois who voted for this moron (Durbin). Separately, I've already contacted my two senators to express my disappointment that they had not yet condemned this character. Where to begin in responding to LargeBill? I'll start here. LargeBill said, "What a bunch of loons. None of the items in that FBI agents report constitute torture. Yes, rap music is appallingly bad but it doesn't reach to level of torture." Ok, LargeBill, that's dandy. Then trade places with him. I wonder whether you would say, "Oh look, I just shat on myself again and it's hot in here and I don't have any water. I can't hear myself think because there's this appallingly bad rap music that is so loud. But look on the bright side: at least I'm not being tortured." I wonder if you would care about legal definitions then. And I also add that I hope you and everyone will never find yourself in the environment on which the FBI agent reported. First off, it was Dick Durban's statement that "you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others..." His mommy didn't write that for him. It didn't come from a FBI report. He was not under the control of the body snatchers at the time. That is his statement and his opinion - and his opinion is that what takes place at Gitmo is indistinguishable from three of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind. That the actions of American servicemen are indistinguishable from the actions of Nazis, the KGB, and Khmer Rouge. Secondly, if you believe that his statement is accurate, you are either incredibly ignorant or clinically insane. You and Dick Durban are pissing all over the graves of the 15 million who died. Aaron, You've somehow managed to say something more ludicrious than your first statement. So, you think that if I'm not that concerned with the treatment of terrorists (who by the way cut the heads off their prisoners) I should trade places with them? No thanks. I'm not a terrorist. Besides, I've been to GITMO, got the t-shirt, don't want to go back. This sort of conversation is why the majority of Americans don't trust Dem's on issues of national security. They seem more concerned with the treatment of terrorists than with waging the War on Terror. Buh bye Aaron. I've had enough of your crap. If you can't see the difference between what takes place at Gitmo and the murder of 15 million people (and the dangers of making such an asinine comparison), well, I just feel sorry for you. |
